Doctors told Branden West that he was going to die soon after he was born. They said he'd be born with a hole in his skull--which would enable him to be a Democrat politician--and no brain--another key Democrat qualification. The doctors also said he'd be blind and deaf.
But people prayed for him and this year he graduated from high school with as a straight A student. He can hear and see just fine.
He doesn't look quite normal, whatever that means, but that shouldn't be a death sentence now should it?
Keep this in mind when you read about someone whose aborted their baby to "spare her the suffering".
One of the strongest arguments against the death penalty is that sometimes innocent people are executed.
Shouldn't the fact that doctors get it wrong about unborn babies be just as compelling an argument against killing the unborn because they may not make it if we don't kill them?
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> But people prayed for him and this year he graduated from high school with as a straight A student
someone has a hole in their head.
> Shouldn't the fact that doctors get it wrong about unborn babies be just as compelling an argument against killing the unborn because they may not make it if we don't kill them?
See you aren't capable of engaging with the arguments of pro-choice people. The "unborn" are not people. People on death row are people. Your inability to understand your opponents' arguments means you will never make compelling arguments to them. You are only capable of preaching to the choir.
Of course science says that the unborn are people:
“[The zygote], formed by the union of an oocyte and a sperm, is the beginning of a new human being.”
Keith L. Moore, Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2008. p. 2.
It's true that I won't be able to convince people who reject science based on their blind faith but most people who support abortion only do so in limited cases and because they've been lied to by people like you who reject science.
Those people are open to reason.
What is a "person" is a question of philosophy not science (like everything to do with mortality). Science tells you "these cells are human cells" but can't tell you "these cells deserve human rights"[1] because "human rights" (the rights bestowed on people) are a philosophical concept. Some people even think it's ok to kill humans who have done certain things which causes them to forfeit their "human rights". These are all philosophical questions.
Until you get this you won't be able to make a compelling argument.
[1] We already agree not all groups of human cells are "people" and deserve rights. See HeLa cells.
On what basis do you say that human rights aren't inalienable but granted by society?
You're just like Millikan; you declare that we can segregate biological human beings into persons and non-persons based on arbitrary ideology.
HeLa cells aren't full human organisms, a zygote is. Until you learn the basic biological distinction between a cell and an organism you'll be unable to discuss this issue from a scientific perspective.
wow replying to comments a month old? ok...
Human rights are a social construct. Just like everything else. So they are granted by society. Nobody enforces them except society. Different societies have different ideas of what fundamental rights are.
> HeLa cells aren't full human organisms, a zygote is
Please define "full human organism" and explain how a zygote qualifies and a HeLa cell does not. HeLa cells definitely qualifies as an "organism" (they are alive, even bacteria are organisms) and are "human" by your definition.
Since nothing you say is ever factually correct and relevant I only respond to you when I have nothing better to do.
If human rights are a social construct then you're saying that slavery and the Holocaust were both ok because in the Democrat run south society said Blacks didn't have human rights and in Nazi Germany the society said that Jews didn't have human rights.
HeLa cells don't, if given the proper environment, grow into full human beings. A zygote will.
You should learn some biology if you don't know the difference between an organism, an amoeba or a zygote, and a cell, a skin or muscle cell.
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